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		<title>By: nosnowhere</title>
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		<dc:creator>nosnowhere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yep i&#039;m feelin this</description>
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		<title>By: Weekend Link Love &#171; The Feminist Texican</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weekend Link Love &#171; The Feminist Texican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Aaminah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaminah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh, i have to say though, that experience did make me really leery of meeting people i admire and respect! it made me feel like it&#039;s so much easier to love and respect them from afar. and it made me think a lot about why the people i most love are often dead people... you know, because then there&#039;s the whole &quot;don&#039;t speak ill of the dead&quot; and &quot;they&#039;re not here to defend themselves&quot; so it makes it easier to love them in their mythological form. for a long time, i felt like if i respect someone, i&#039;d rather not have my belief in them broken by meeting them and disliking them. but i still think it bears considering and reflecting on why we have expectations and why we mythologize &quot;leaders&quot; in movements, whether it be the arts or activism. in the end, they&#039;re human too. and goodness knows, i&#039;m told all the time what an unpleasant person i can be to deal with (please, joan, don&#039;t deny it, lol! we all know i&#039;m tempermental and quick to speak and all that), so i hope i never am in a situation where i hurt those who look up to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, i have to say though, that experience did make me really leery of meeting people i admire and respect! it made me feel like it&#8217;s so much easier to love and respect them from afar. and it made me think a lot about why the people i most love are often dead people&#8230; you know, because then there&#8217;s the whole &#8220;don&#8217;t speak ill of the dead&#8221; and &#8220;they&#8217;re not here to defend themselves&#8221; so it makes it easier to love them in their mythological form. for a long time, i felt like if i respect someone, i&#8217;d rather not have my belief in them broken by meeting them and disliking them. but i still think it bears considering and reflecting on why we have expectations and why we mythologize &#8220;leaders&#8221; in movements, whether it be the arts or activism. in the end, they&#8217;re human too. and goodness knows, i&#8217;m told all the time what an unpleasant person i can be to deal with (please, joan, don&#8217;t deny it, lol! we all know i&#8217;m tempermental and quick to speak and all that), so i hope i never am in a situation where i hurt those who look up to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaminah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaminah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>omg mai&#039;a... like i needed one more reason to love you! yes, it&#039;s s.a. and yes, what pissed me off the most was two things, 

1) on my own behalf, that he was nasty to me publicly because that made it so humiliating, and he did it in front of tribal elders from the community here who had welcomed him very graciously, and who, while they &quot;know&quot; me, let&#039;s be real, i&#039;m on the fringe of the NDN community here too so it was just very uncomfortable

2) that i suspect i was not the only NDN artist/writer there and it was really hard for me to stand up and ask my question but i did it as much for anyone else who couldn&#039;t as for myself. and really, what i thought was &quot;great, you&#039;re not just answering ME, but also all the others sitting here wishing they&#039;d asked&quot;. me, i&#039;m strong enough to say he&#039;s a jerk and i&#039;m gonna do what i do. but i wouldn&#039;t &quot;blame&quot; any younger person who might have left there brokenhearted, dispirited, maybe stopped writing, because he told them not to bother and that they&#039;d never get anywhere. 

plus, after the public Q&amp;A i went up to speak to him personally (i still had witnesses) and he was even nastier. it&#039;s okay, i made him a promise, and someday i&#039;ll keep it. when my novel is published, he&#039;ll be one of the first to receive a free and signed copy. because i have to give him credit not only for how his writing has changed my life and writing, but also for how his being a complete jackass has made me angry enough to make sure my novel gets finished and published one way or another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>omg mai&#8217;a&#8230; like i needed one more reason to love you! yes, it&#8217;s s.a. and yes, what pissed me off the most was two things, </p>
<p>1) on my own behalf, that he was nasty to me publicly because that made it so humiliating, and he did it in front of tribal elders from the community here who had welcomed him very graciously, and who, while they &#8220;know&#8221; me, let&#8217;s be real, i&#8217;m on the fringe of the NDN community here too so it was just very uncomfortable</p>
<p>2) that i suspect i was not the only NDN artist/writer there and it was really hard for me to stand up and ask my question but i did it as much for anyone else who couldn&#8217;t as for myself. and really, what i thought was &#8220;great, you&#8217;re not just answering ME, but also all the others sitting here wishing they&#8217;d asked&#8221;. me, i&#8217;m strong enough to say he&#8217;s a jerk and i&#8217;m gonna do what i do. but i wouldn&#8217;t &#8220;blame&#8221; any younger person who might have left there brokenhearted, dispirited, maybe stopped writing, because he told them not to bother and that they&#8217;d never get anywhere. </p>
<p>plus, after the public Q&amp;A i went up to speak to him personally (i still had witnesses) and he was even nastier. it&#8217;s okay, i made him a promise, and someday i&#8217;ll keep it. when my novel is published, he&#8217;ll be one of the first to receive a free and signed copy. because i have to give him credit not only for how his writing has changed my life and writing, but also for how his being a complete jackass has made me angry enough to make sure my novel gets finished and published one way or another.</p>
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		<title>By: maia</title>
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		<dc:creator>maia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 03:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just to say it probably wasnt you.  i have met a few well known black &#039;leaders&#039; with a hnic complex.  &amp; it made me really doubt myself like...oh, maybe im not black enough...whateva the fuck that means.  
(and to be noted lighter skin woc...those of us who are like *really really dark* get told that we arent black enough too.  a lot.)
now looking back i can see how a 18 yr old black girl publicly challenging a 50 yr old &#039;expert&#039; in his field was perceived as threatening.  but yeah.  it sucked at the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just to say it probably wasnt you.  i have met a few well known black &#8216;leaders&#8217; with a hnic complex.  &amp; it made me really doubt myself like&#8230;oh, maybe im not black enough&#8230;whateva the fuck that means.<br />
(and to be noted lighter skin woc&#8230;those of us who are like *really really dark* get told that we arent black enough too.  a lot.)<br />
now looking back i can see how a 18 yr old black girl publicly challenging a 50 yr old &#8216;expert&#8217; in his field was perceived as threatening.  but yeah.  it sucked at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: maia</title>
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		<dc:creator>maia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 02:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey aaminah.  would that author&#039;s initials possibly be s.a..  cuz if so i have other friends who have found s.a pretty arrogant to deal with at times.  esp. on all things ndn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey aaminah.  would that author&#8217;s initials possibly be s.a..  cuz if so i have other friends who have found s.a pretty arrogant to deal with at times.  esp. on all things ndn.</p>
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		<title>By: DaisyDeadhead</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaisyDeadhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 06:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@thatgirlhasissues  yeah, I hear ya, especially since I am being trashed pretty severely online right now.  I am trying to keep my head above water and remember that I am worthwhile.  

Bfp--when I met Kate Millett, she was fabulous.  She was the most ordinary-looking woman, with funny-shaped glasses and long hair turning gray.  She said we should all be keeping journals.  Her weird hippie-frumpiness meant that I could do it too; I might be able to write too.  Her lack of glamour meant glamour wasn&#039;t necessary to be brilliant or beloved.

So, the stinky thing works both ways, and someone might just be utterly &lt;i&gt;delighted&lt;/i&gt; to see your stinkiness, bfp!

I recently met a young woman who is a relatively new blogger (5 months) and wondered what she was thinking of me.  And then I remembered Kate and thought,&lt;i&gt; I hope she takes note of the fact that if &lt;b&gt;I&lt;/b&gt; can do this blogging thing, anyone can.&lt;/i&gt;

Excellent post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@thatgirlhasissues  yeah, I hear ya, especially since I am being trashed pretty severely online right now.  I am trying to keep my head above water and remember that I am worthwhile.  </p>
<p>Bfp&#8211;when I met Kate Millett, she was fabulous.  She was the most ordinary-looking woman, with funny-shaped glasses and long hair turning gray.  She said we should all be keeping journals.  Her weird hippie-frumpiness meant that I could do it too; I might be able to write too.  Her lack of glamour meant glamour wasn&#8217;t necessary to be brilliant or beloved.</p>
<p>So, the stinky thing works both ways, and someone might just be utterly <i>delighted</i> to see your stinkiness, bfp!</p>
<p>I recently met a young woman who is a relatively new blogger (5 months) and wondered what she was thinking of me.  And then I remembered Kate and thought,<i> I hope she takes note of the fact that if <b>I</b> can do this blogging thing, anyone can.</i></p>
<p>Excellent post.</p>
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		<title>By: Joan Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joan Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel unsure of myself a lot lately and the idea of responding thoughtfully to this post is no different - unsure of self.  So I have first-reflexes instead.

One - I will love hugging you when we finally meet no matter what, not from built up expectations but so that I finally have a physical outlet for everything I&#039;ve wanted to give to you on the love front.

Two - thatgirlhasissues - it pained me to read that because it kills me that in my life it&#039;s true and I want to go &quot;wait wait it&#039;s not always true&quot; because I want it to NEVER be true, and I&#039;m uncomfortable accepting - which I think ties into the original post and idolizing people - I&#039;m uncomfortable accepting that sometimes love and connection to/with other women functions in ways that are not all roses and light.

Three - hi Maia just cuz I love you

Four - Aaminah my reflex when I read your second comment is that a) I don&#039;t think you&#039;re a jerk for holding a grudge 2 years later and b) but if you&#039;re tired of carrying it, I&#039;ll gladly take it over for you because now I don&#039;t like that prick either, whoever he is.

Because I think there is a difference between expecting someone to be perfect/live up to our fantasies and the subsequent disappointment when that doesn&#039;t happen, versus some prick being a prick to you.  

I know that I feel protective of everybody that I love (hell, maybe even everybody, period, just in general, of not wanting anyone to get harmed) and so I have emotional reactions, but fuck.  It hits a nerve with me when anybody does stuff to discourage women writers who already have to deal with other shit, as young women or women of color or disabled women and any other thing people shit on women for.

Whew, reflexes spent, back to work for me.  Love all of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel unsure of myself a lot lately and the idea of responding thoughtfully to this post is no different &#8211; unsure of self.  So I have first-reflexes instead.</p>
<p>One &#8211; I will love hugging you when we finally meet no matter what, not from built up expectations but so that I finally have a physical outlet for everything I&#8217;ve wanted to give to you on the love front.</p>
<p>Two &#8211; thatgirlhasissues &#8211; it pained me to read that because it kills me that in my life it&#8217;s true and I want to go &#8220;wait wait it&#8217;s not always true&#8221; because I want it to NEVER be true, and I&#8217;m uncomfortable accepting &#8211; which I think ties into the original post and idolizing people &#8211; I&#8217;m uncomfortable accepting that sometimes love and connection to/with other women functions in ways that are not all roses and light.</p>
<p>Three &#8211; hi Maia just cuz I love you</p>
<p>Four &#8211; Aaminah my reflex when I read your second comment is that a) I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re a jerk for holding a grudge 2 years later and b) but if you&#8217;re tired of carrying it, I&#8217;ll gladly take it over for you because now I don&#8217;t like that prick either, whoever he is.</p>
<p>Because I think there is a difference between expecting someone to be perfect/live up to our fantasies and the subsequent disappointment when that doesn&#8217;t happen, versus some prick being a prick to you.  </p>
<p>I know that I feel protective of everybody that I love (hell, maybe even everybody, period, just in general, of not wanting anyone to get harmed) and so I have emotional reactions, but fuck.  It hits a nerve with me when anybody does stuff to discourage women writers who already have to deal with other shit, as young women or women of color or disabled women and any other thing people shit on women for.</p>
<p>Whew, reflexes spent, back to work for me.  Love all of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaminah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaminah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also, bfp, i&#039;ve been rolling around how to respond to this in a way that &quot;makes sense&quot; and i probably still don&#039;t have the answer. i do know that about 2 yrs ago i had an opportunity to meet an author i have long admired. and he turned out to be a big prick. and i was/remain very disappointed. on the other side of that though, like you say, why did i have expectations of him? is it fair that all that pressure is on him to be likeable, to me, to his fans, to his/our community he comes from, to anyone? is being a writer/activist even supposed to be about &quot;fans&quot; and keeping them happy? and am i the one that&#039;s a jerk for still holding a grudge 2 yrs later? i mean, he really was an arrogant, mean, unpleasant person. not in general, he was very charming. i&#039;m saying he was mean to me. and i had witnesses who were shocked by the way he spoke to me, the way he responded to my question during the Q&amp;A, so it isn&#039;t just me being sensitive or something. and it was definitely a power-differential issue because he&#039;s a published author being asked what advice he&#039;d give to young NDN writers etc. if i listened to his &quot;advice&quot; i would never write again, but i&#039;m strong enough to think he just sounded ridiculously insecure with the idea that he might someday not be the only &quot;celebrated&quot; NDN out there. 

so i totally feel you on the questions of expectations and roles, power navigation etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also, bfp, i&#8217;ve been rolling around how to respond to this in a way that &#8220;makes sense&#8221; and i probably still don&#8217;t have the answer. i do know that about 2 yrs ago i had an opportunity to meet an author i have long admired. and he turned out to be a big prick. and i was/remain very disappointed. on the other side of that though, like you say, why did i have expectations of him? is it fair that all that pressure is on him to be likeable, to me, to his fans, to his/our community he comes from, to anyone? is being a writer/activist even supposed to be about &#8220;fans&#8221; and keeping them happy? and am i the one that&#8217;s a jerk for still holding a grudge 2 yrs later? i mean, he really was an arrogant, mean, unpleasant person. not in general, he was very charming. i&#8217;m saying he was mean to me. and i had witnesses who were shocked by the way he spoke to me, the way he responded to my question during the Q&amp;A, so it isn&#8217;t just me being sensitive or something. and it was definitely a power-differential issue because he&#8217;s a published author being asked what advice he&#8217;d give to young NDN writers etc. if i listened to his &#8220;advice&#8221; i would never write again, but i&#8217;m strong enough to think he just sounded ridiculously insecure with the idea that he might someday not be the only &#8220;celebrated&#8221; NDN out there. </p>
<p>so i totally feel you on the questions of expectations and roles, power navigation etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaminah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaminah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>omg, that last paragraph especially @thatgirlhasissues... i&#039;ve been a culprit of that myself, and the one banded against. i know exactly what you are talking about. i don&#039;t think your community is unique in that regard unfortunately... i suspect it&#039;s almost even the norm now. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>omg, that last paragraph especially @thatgirlhasissues&#8230; i&#8217;ve been a culprit of that myself, and the one banded against. i know exactly what you are talking about. i don&#8217;t think your community is unique in that regard unfortunately&#8230; i suspect it&#8217;s almost even the norm now. <img src='http://flipfloppingjoy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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