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	<description>it's where the movement is...</description>
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		<title>By: Having Read The Fine Print&#8230;&#8230;: The Burning House &#171; Raven&#8217;s Eye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Having Read The Fine Print&#8230;&#8230;: The Burning House &#171; Raven&#8217;s Eye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] institutions. Do we really want to save these movement/media/companies/schools/groups?  When the FEMINIST MAJORITY says it&#8217;s too late to prosecute the rape of a young girl ( and oddly enough the campaign [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] institutions. Do we really want to save these movement/media/companies/schools/groups?  When the FEMINIST MAJORITY says it&#8217;s too late to prosecute the rape of a young girl ( and oddly enough the campaign [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DaisyDeadhead</title>
		<link>http://flipfloppingjoy.com/2009/10/03/really/comment-page-1/#comment-6776</link>
		<dc:creator>DaisyDeadhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peg Yorkin used to be married to &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bud_Yorkin&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bud Yorkin&lt;/a&gt;, and is the mother of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_Yorkin&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Nicole Yorkin&lt;/a&gt;...all heavily connected to Hollywood.  Why did anyone expect her to break out of the okeydoke/boilerplate on this issue?

When you make common cause with Big Business, ANY PART of Big Business (Hollywood is about BUSINESS AND MONEY, not just ART) then eventually the bills come due and you are expected to fall into line.  (pardon mixed metaphors)  I never liked the Hollywood-money connection to the Feminist Majority... and this is a good example of why I never liked it.   

As my grandmother woulda said:  He who pays the piper calls the tune.  And we see who has been paying Peg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peg Yorkin used to be married to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bud_Yorkin" rel="nofollow">Bud Yorkin</a>, and is the mother of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_Yorkin" rel="nofollow">Nicole Yorkin</a>&#8230;all heavily connected to Hollywood.  Why did anyone expect her to break out of the okeydoke/boilerplate on this issue?</p>
<p>When you make common cause with Big Business, ANY PART of Big Business (Hollywood is about BUSINESS AND MONEY, not just ART) then eventually the bills come due and you are expected to fall into line.  (pardon mixed metaphors)  I never liked the Hollywood-money connection to the Feminist Majority&#8230; and this is a good example of why I never liked it.   </p>
<p>As my grandmother woulda said:  He who pays the piper calls the tune.  And we see who has been paying Peg.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 04:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read that a few days ago and I, initially, could not believe it.

And then I remembered some dusty lessons I learned about &quot;professional&quot; feminists; feminists who have turned their &quot;feminism&quot; into careers, who are on the frontlines of media, who get quoted, who are considered the go-to speakers whenever issues affected women come up.

I remember why leading a life of quiet purpose is my choose and why I have come to detest so many &quot;feminist&quot; organizations and &quot;pioneers&quot; of feminist movements.  

It&#039;s because of statements like that...the kind of statements that make excuses, that minimize pain and suffering of women, that prioritize WHEN something happened and use that as a measurement of wrong instead of the actual act of violence.  These statements remind me, painfully, that even founding the Feminist Majority Foundation means nothing, is nothing, counts for nothing if you fail to recognize the naked violence and horror of drugging, raping, and sodomizing a 13 year old child.

It matters not in how many books you might write, or how many lectures you give, or how many people see you as a warrior...what I think matters, in the end, is whether or not you see what rape is, what exactly was horrifically stolen from this child 30 years ago.

Statements like this brutally remind me that the camouflage of rape - its victim blaming, victim ignoring, rape apologetic culture - festers in the MAJORITY of people, including &quot;feminists.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read that a few days ago and I, initially, could not believe it.</p>
<p>And then I remembered some dusty lessons I learned about &#8220;professional&#8221; feminists; feminists who have turned their &#8220;feminism&#8221; into careers, who are on the frontlines of media, who get quoted, who are considered the go-to speakers whenever issues affected women come up.</p>
<p>I remember why leading a life of quiet purpose is my choose and why I have come to detest so many &#8220;feminist&#8221; organizations and &#8220;pioneers&#8221; of feminist movements.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s because of statements like that&#8230;the kind of statements that make excuses, that minimize pain and suffering of women, that prioritize WHEN something happened and use that as a measurement of wrong instead of the actual act of violence.  These statements remind me, painfully, that even founding the Feminist Majority Foundation means nothing, is nothing, counts for nothing if you fail to recognize the naked violence and horror of drugging, raping, and sodomizing a 13 year old child.</p>
<p>It matters not in how many books you might write, or how many lectures you give, or how many people see you as a warrior&#8230;what I think matters, in the end, is whether or not you see what rape is, what exactly was horrifically stolen from this child 30 years ago.</p>
<p>Statements like this brutally remind me that the camouflage of rape &#8211; its victim blaming, victim ignoring, rape apologetic culture &#8211; festers in the MAJORITY of people, including &#8220;feminists.&#8221;</p>
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