Comments on: Support Justice for Angie Zapata http://flipfloppingjoy.com/2009/04/14/support-justice-for-angie-zapata/ it's where the movement is... Mon, 15 Mar 2010 20:17:08 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Nora http://flipfloppingjoy.com/2009/04/14/support-justice-for-angie-zapata/comment-page-1/#comment-4027 Nora Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:37:43 +0000 http://flipfloppingjoy.com/?p=885#comment-4027 Just saw the news... http://www.denverpost.com/ci_12204631 Just saw the news…
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_12204631

]]> By: drydock http://flipfloppingjoy.com/2009/04/14/support-justice-for-angie-zapata/comment-page-1/#comment-4003 drydock Thu, 23 Apr 2009 03:40:00 +0000 http://flipfloppingjoy.com/?p=885#comment-4003 Interestingly in trial about the murder of Gwen Araujo here in the bay area, the trans panic defense was used by the semi-famous radical lawyer Tony Serra. Serra in the past defended Huey Newton and a host of other political radicals, hells Angels and a number of other high profile people. Anyways the trans panic defense didn't work. Interestingly in trial about the murder of Gwen Araujo here in the bay area, the trans panic defense was used by the semi-famous radical lawyer Tony Serra. Serra in the past defended Huey Newton and a host of other political radicals, hells Angels and a number of other high profile people. Anyways the trans panic defense didn’t work.

]]> By: Punky's Dilemma http://flipfloppingjoy.com/2009/04/14/support-justice-for-angie-zapata/comment-page-1/#comment-3732 Punky's Dilemma Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:30:18 +0000 http://flipfloppingjoy.com/?p=885#comment-3732 I am a therapist who works with transgendered clients. I serve the mental health needs of rural midwest communities. I worry about just this kind of thing happening in my region, and at times fear for safety of the transgender people I work with (many of whom have already experienced hate violence). I will be following this trial and hoping for justice. Not just for Angie, but for the transgendered community. I am a therapist who works with transgendered clients. I serve the mental health needs of rural midwest communities. I worry about just this kind of thing happening in my region, and at times fear for safety of the transgender people I work with (many of whom have already experienced hate violence). I will be following this trial and hoping for justice. Not just for Angie, but for the transgendered community.

]]> By: Whit http://flipfloppingjoy.com/2009/04/14/support-justice-for-angie-zapata/comment-page-1/#comment-3714 Whit Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:25:06 +0000 http://flipfloppingjoy.com/?p=885#comment-3714 I had seen the same thing as nora, about the hate crime legislation issue. I hold out some hope that there will be a conviction. I had seen the same thing as nora, about the hate crime legislation issue. I hold out some hope that there will be a conviction.

]]> By: SA http://flipfloppingjoy.com/2009/04/14/support-justice-for-angie-zapata/comment-page-1/#comment-3691 SA Thu, 16 Apr 2009 00:08:58 +0000 http://flipfloppingjoy.com/?p=885#comment-3691 I had to stop the video 1/2 way through beause it was so sad. How fucking dare anybody decide that a peson's life doesn't matter? I hope the jury will say her life mattered. I had to stop the video 1/2 way through beause it was so sad.

How fucking dare anybody decide that a peson’s life doesn’t matter?

I hope the jury will say her life mattered.

]]> By: bfp http://flipfloppingjoy.com/2009/04/14/support-justice-for-angie-zapata/comment-page-1/#comment-3677 bfp Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:02:46 +0000 http://flipfloppingjoy.com/?p=885#comment-3677 I'm totally with you Amapola and Nora--thank *gawd* she had that sort of love and support. I've been talking a lot with other woc in my life that live around me about the healing aspects of intentional family building--and that's one of the things that we've talked SO much about--how much our lives would've been different if we'd had a group of supportive loving women surrounding us, helping us to grow up. And especially thinking about the pressure on young girls of color to be the magical super colored girl, right? Thank god she had women surrounding her that loved her dearly and accepted her, just as she is. And nora, I've been thinking the same thing, except in regards to the immigrant community. Of course there's been attention and thought given to Angie from people in the immigrant community--but the immigrant community *as a whole*--and as one that also includes men--there has been nary a peep. Any time Latin@s are killed in freaking Colorado or Texas, that is reason enough to give pause and consider what the hell is going on--and I have not seen that happening from the heterosexual community or from the immigrant community. And especially from the immigrant community I think it's essential--given that they rest almost their entire freaking movement on the right to family. What does that mean when we all get upset and mobilize around nuclear traditional families, but have nothing at all to say about queer families? Or families that openly and completely accept non-conforming members? I mean, I'm thinking about the Filipino family I read about over on VL recently that is queer, and one of the mothers is scheduled to be deported to the Filippines--after spending 20 freaking YEARS here--but she can't get sponsored because her family is a queer family. And yet I havent read anything at all from major pro-immigration organizations about supporting pro-marriage legislation or legislation that would recognize queer fams as "real" fams... I’m totally with you Amapola and Nora–thank *gawd* she had that sort of love and support. I’ve been talking a lot with other woc in my life that live around me about the healing aspects of intentional family building–and that’s one of the things that we’ve talked SO much about–how much our lives would’ve been different if we’d had a group of supportive loving women surrounding us, helping us to grow up. And especially thinking about the pressure on young girls of color to be the magical super colored girl, right? Thank god she had women surrounding her that loved her dearly and accepted her, just as she is.

And nora, I’ve been thinking the same thing, except in regards to the immigrant community. Of course there’s been attention and thought given to Angie from people in the immigrant community–but the immigrant community *as a whole*–and as one that also includes men–there has been nary a peep. Any time Latin@s are killed in freaking Colorado or Texas, that is reason enough to give pause and consider what the hell is going on–and I have not seen that happening from the heterosexual community or from the immigrant community. And especially from the immigrant community I think it’s essential–given that they rest almost their entire freaking movement on the right to family. What does that mean when we all get upset and mobilize around nuclear traditional families, but have nothing at all to say about queer families? Or families that openly and completely accept non-conforming members?

I mean, I’m thinking about the Filipino family I read about over on VL recently that is queer, and one of the mothers is scheduled to be deported to the Filippines–after spending 20 freaking YEARS here–but she can’t get sponsored because her family is a queer family. And yet I havent read anything at all from major pro-immigration organizations about supporting pro-marriage legislation or legislation that would recognize queer fams as “real” fams…

]]> By: Amapola http://flipfloppingjoy.com/2009/04/14/support-justice-for-angie-zapata/comment-page-1/#comment-3675 Amapola Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:20:09 +0000 http://flipfloppingjoy.com/?p=885#comment-3675 i'm totally crying now, which i suppose is why i put off watching this video until i was at home and not at school-- this shit hits way too close to home. listening to angie's family is heart breaking, but also warming-- i am so glad that she got to have that family support and love in her lifetime, however short it ended up being. and i don't even know what justice looks like-- could look like-- in a case like this. but i pray her family finds peace and healing, if nothing else. i’m totally crying now, which i suppose is why i put off watching this video until i was at home and not at school– this shit hits way too close to home.

listening to angie’s family is heart breaking, but also warming– i am so glad that she got to have that family support and love in her lifetime, however short it ended up being.

and i don’t even know what justice looks like– could look like– in a case like this. but i pray her family finds peace and healing, if nothing else.

]]> By: Nora http://flipfloppingjoy.com/2009/04/14/support-justice-for-angie-zapata/comment-page-1/#comment-3664 Nora Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:05:41 +0000 http://flipfloppingjoy.com/?p=885#comment-3664 For example, where are the cis/straight men that loved her (relatives, etc.)? There must be some, but I don't see any in the video. Also wondering about the argument (elsewhere) that hate crime legislation is not the way to go: http://www.alp.org/node/311 For example, where are the cis/straight men that loved her (relatives, etc.)? There must be some, but I don’t see any in the video.

Also wondering about the argument (elsewhere) that hate crime legislation is not the way to go:
http://www.alp.org/node/311

]]> By: Nora http://flipfloppingjoy.com/2009/04/14/support-justice-for-angie-zapata/comment-page-1/#comment-3663 Nora Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:02:30 +0000 http://flipfloppingjoy.com/?p=885#comment-3663 One in twelve. Fuck!!!!! This makes me really mad at the mainstream (mainly white/male) gay rights movement (AGAIN), that was built on the backs of trans people of color. Also: cutie butch sister! All of those women are so sweet, this is fucking heartbreaking. What are men doing to get their shit together and figure out how to get over their hysteria? One in twelve. Fuck!!!!! This makes me really mad at the mainstream (mainly white/male) gay rights movement (AGAIN), that was built on the backs of trans people of color.

Also: cutie butch sister! All of those women are so sweet, this is fucking heartbreaking. What are men doing to get their shit together and figure out how to get over their hysteria?

]]> By: La Lubu http://flipfloppingjoy.com/2009/04/14/support-justice-for-angie-zapata/comment-page-1/#comment-3660 La Lubu Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:36:51 +0000 http://flipfloppingjoy.com/?p=885#comment-3660 I sure the hell hope the "panic defense" doesn't work. It should <i>never</i> work, dammit, it's b.s. I sure the hell hope the “panic defense” doesn’t work. It should never work, dammit, it’s b.s.

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